The 800 Mile Wall | John Carlos Frey

I know I have another post on the border fence, but please bear with me because this wall is not only an inadequate tool to solve the immigration problem; it is also killing people. I found an interesting article and video by John Carlos Frey.  Please read. Excerpt below:

“From 2007 to 2009, I followed the construction of what is now close to 800 miles of border security infrastructure along the U.S.-Mexico international boundary. What I found was a mess. Dozens of environmental laws were being waived in order to acquire land to build the new border walls. New technology for border security enforcement was over-priced and non-functional. The natural landscape was permanently scarred to ‘protect’ us from migrants. The assessment from scholars, government agencies and even the border patrol was that this multi-billion dollar effort was not going to solve America’s immigration problems. All of these details on their own would have made a compelling documentary. But there was something even more conspicuous and tragic than the blunders and cost overruns: increased border security was proving to be a massive killer.”

To see the whole article and video follow the link below:

The 800 Mile Wall – John Carlos Frey


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  1. -El Codo- says:

    Might be a little wrong here but would this information not better serve a www site that deals with border and immigration issues?

    I do not know how much you know about los aztecas y las zetas but their violence is causing a lot of paranoia some of it very justified on the border. Eliminating a fence may save dozens perhaps hundreds while thousands die down here and the plague tries to spread northward. BTW, what state is your home port?

    Saludos de Michoacan

    • Rio_guzman says:

      Why do you think you can separate border and immigration issues from the rest of Mexico?
      I don’t know about the “aztecas or the zetas”, could you elaborate? “Plague”???
      At the moment I am living in California.

  2. -El Codo- says:

    If you could, refer to the lonely planet thorntree and see a discussion I am having with someone who reported the bomb blast at the US Consulate in Nuevo Laredo.

    I have friends here of course and in EE.UU My friends there said that the gangs are moving into US cities with their automatic weapons, and grenades. These people my friends are not prone to telling fairy tales.

    The fence does not seem to be an important issue with most Mexico Mexicans at the moment. Not nearly as important as what has taken place down here in the last two years.

    Immigration reform is much more dignified than any other border solution. But zetas and other gang members who can not pass through US Customs must be squeezed into corridors.

    Thanks to an endless supply of money from sales of illegal substances in the states, the criminals now have the ability to carry their campaign of violence northward as far as what is needed to sustain their lifestyle.

    Plague is a very mild term. Invasion (criminals) would be a more appropriate term.

    Señor Rio I am sad to say that the fence is going to be but one of the things that is going to be put into place at the border. Ladrinos have attacked and killed several ranch owners in Arizona and have ambushed and killed several Texas law enforcement personnel. They “escaped” by fleeing south across the Rio Bravo. Such terror has never been applied across the border before. There is a hue and cry that you may be unaware of that may set the national guard of the united states to augment border patrol. This is all so sad.

    But saddest of all things are the innocent men women, children and even infants machine gunned in Mexico because the zetas or Beltran Levas decided that the marihuanos were somehow being disloyal.

  3. Rio_guzman says:

    I see what you mean.
    The problem is that the fence does not solve the problem, because it only deals with the symptoms.
    In the case of illegal immigrants they need social justice. (Please see my post on the Zapatista movement in Chiapas)
    The gangs are not going to be stopped by a fence either, and they are reacting to the pressure being put on them by both governments. In their case the problem is not a hungry belly but a hungry psyche.
    The United States is a big consumer of drugs due to that hungry psyche; spiritually speaking I would say we are a “third world country”.
    So we have to work on both the hungry belly and the hungry psyche to solve not only the problem of illegal immigration but a host of other problems.
    Do you see what I mean?

  4. -El Codo- says:

    Absolutely, and this is a great dialogue. Thank you!

    Having lived in Chiapas and among the Tzotzil I can tell you for a fact that the issues down there are definitely not solely with the government. Many indigenous hate the EZLN and then there are area squabbles with one another and let’s not forger rivalies between the Perridistas and Pristas. IMHO Rio, evangelists caused a titantic amount of damage when they moved in “saved” whomever they could, in 45 days and moved out and left the “saved” to be excommunicated and shunned.

    EDUCATION is they key. Call it what you like but subsidizing the education of young indigenos seems to be the only thing that I have found to be a fundamental key to improving conditions for the indigenous in Chiapas.

    I lost a lot of respect for the EZLN when they utterly rejected the idea that commerce and tourism directed by the EZLN (actually FZLN) could make an enormous impact into reducing poverty for all indigenous. EZLN leadership act like control freaks and espouse Marxist nonsense that has nothing whatsoever to do with the everyday indigenous family becoming more prosperous and improving their living standards. They have some good ideas, but overall I am disappointed in them missing a golden opportunity.

    The social structure of day to day business in Mexico has to change Rio. Why does a manguero (a mango orchard owner) have to pay a coyote to handle their product for market. Mexico is burdened by an incredibly thick layer of absolute garbage that hinders proper commerce which will greatly improve the quality of life for Mexicans here. The answer absolutely does not lie in making immigration easier. It lies in correcting a country operating at a 5% efficiency factorial number.

    America’s greatest challenge lies in converting several tens of millions of people to not be contmptuously stupid and arrogant about their lack of self discipline. I hold in utter contempt those who knowing aid and abet the death of thousands, and especially those who are innocent women and children of this great nation. While they smoke mexican marijuana and come up with the ten thousand and one excuses why it’s “someone else’s problem” their cash flows south and aids the machine gunning of infants in their cradles.

    Rio, I am very bitter about this. I have seen it and I do not like it. Useless flakes living north of the border are screwing up “my country”.

    End of soap box.

  5. Rio_guzman says:

    Hi Codo!
    You are absolutely right! Education is the key; and not only in Mexico but in the US. In fact, the world is always at war in one place or another due to our abysmal ignorance; we are unaware of who we are as human beings. Our ego (the blinder) holds the baton, and ego and stupidity are an inseparable couple: a marriage made in hell.
    Building a border fence we just show our incompetence as human beings to solve our problems; we display our inability to actually live like a supposedly intelligent species should.
    “El respeto al derecho ajeno es la paz” –Benito Juarez
    PS. You are invited to leave a comment on my post about the EZLN (on my blog), if you would. Your opinion would give my readers a different perspective. Thanks!

  6. Art Jones says:

    As a practical matter the wall makes very little sense to me. In fact it seems another taxpayer rip off debacle so common in the last few yrs. As an example , a few weeks ago I crossed , heading south at Naco Az/Son. Approx 300 mts from the B.P. check point I saw 3 young men pop up over the top and scrabble to the ground. They sprinted across the road in front of my p-up and joined 4 or 5 of their buddies waiting in the shade of a big greasewood bush. At the checkpoint there were 2 young agents working the entrance lane. 2 inside the office and a couple more takin in the shade. About the same number of young men as were squatting under the greasewood bush 300 mts away. ( a good day at Naco would probably see 50 0r 75 cars pass thru the checkpoint. Thats why I use it a lot.) If that goes on 300 mts from the C.P. , it’s pretty easy to see why the dope fiends in the states are so well supplied. In 2010 and onward , I feel we need something a bit more sophisticated than a wall.A humane , intelligent and well planned , bi-lateral immigration policy would be nice . And while they’re about it, how’s about scrapping and completely rebuilding an outdated and completely impotent mish-mash of laws concerning drug use both in the U.S. and Mexico. Yeah , legalize it if that what it takes to stop the killing. The laws are not respected by anyone who wishes to use drugs anyway. I know folks tend to moral-ize about this positition but that’s a hard sell to a mom who’s kid got caught in the middle of a shootout Ciudad Juarez or Culiacan or a wife who’s husband got blowed to hell in Morelia.
    Anyway , I had to chuckle , “your tax dollars at work ” or “we’re from the govt and we’re here to help you” as I headed south toward Santa Anna. It may be an absurd situation but it ain’t funny . The two closest neighbors in the world should be able to do better. We damn sure otta be able to do better than a wall and a disasterous war on drugs. I’m Art Jones and I approve this message. lol

  7. rio says:

    Thanks a lot for your comment Art. You are hitting the nail right on the head. I also agree that legalizing drugs is the way to go; it will also take the mystique out of using them, which is part of the problem.